New York Sportsmen
Hunting- In The New York Area => New York Big Game Hunting => Topic started by: walkabout on January 07, 2022, 02:46:08 PM
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From NFrom Fox News - Utah bans use of trail cameras in big game hunting
Utah bans use of trail cameras in big game hunting
https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/utah-bans-trail-cameras-big-game-hunting. Not one for new laws but dont like these new cellular trail cams and would like to see them banned on state land here in NY myself.. Guys are becoming obsessed with them not only have 1 but 5, 10 even 15 of them in the woods. ill be disabling any cellular camera i come across on state land for now on..
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I agree about the cell cams on state land. I've noticed that some folks get so hung up on cameras its like they are hunting for pics rather than meat.
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But I bet you both use the x bow just saying what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander 😂
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I use a compound during bow and a rifle during reg and a MZ during the late season. Not sure where the crossbow comes in?? I just agree that cell cams on public land is stretching technology too far... I've been hesitant on placing any cameras because I like to stay out of my best spots. I know guys get away with it but some of my spots are more remote and not as easy to access without getting patterned by a mature buck. To each their own though. I do not discount anybody for using cameras or xbows.
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Exactly that was my point
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Hunting for pictures thats so true..lol.
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Big difference between NY and western states. Trail cam ban out west is more directed at guides using cams to run customers to kill an animal. Just my opinion. They could be banned on public, never fly on private.
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I don’t have a problem with technology. Some of the real remote mountain spots would be great to have a camera in. See what’s around and being a cell camera you don’t have to go in and stink things up just to check pictures. I am all for them and own 2 myself.
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I am all for them too. I did have one of my cell cameras broken this year and the sd card stolen. They came in from behind the camera. Same idiot stole bottom sections of treestand steps to at least 2 of our tree stands and tried to remove another section from another stand. I have a feeling they will be caught because they did not see all the hidden cameras. They do come in handy for those purposes.
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Im personally on the fence about cell cameras I personally do not own any but i have been thinking of buying some. Im on the fence because I feel that technology is keeping us from being in the woods enjoying nature and allowing us to get away for awhile. By going out and pulling cards you get the best of both worlds you get that experience and some intel on the wild life. At the same time cell cams do allow you to keep a eye on things with out blowing the spot up.
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Regardless I'm sure the DEC will make decisions based on input of sportsman n sound management practices. LMFAO!!
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If I see a trail camera on public land where I hunt I am glad when it's a cellular one. Too many times I have had guys come walking through to get to their regular cameras cards while I am up a tree during bow season. Wish they would just stay on their couch. I use mine on private just so I don't go in and stink the place up, that and it's an hour and a half away from home.
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Dont Tread On My Trail Cameras!! Lol
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its more about the fact someone can be watching you in real time on state land and not about fair chase hunting. i just dont think that everytime i want to sit down whether for hunting or for whatever reason that i should have to look around for a cellular camera before i do.
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And honestly this kind of stuff is exactly why so many people are turned off from public land hunting.
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I don’t have a problem with technology. Some of the real remote mountain spots would be great to have a camera in. See what’s around and being a cell camera you don’t have to go in and stink things up just to check pictures. I am all for them and own 2 myself.
When I rode a bicycle through the Rockies/Cascades from CO to WA I went days at a time without cell service… from that I suspect that cell cameras wouldn’t be of much use in remote areas. You’d need satellite based phone service… Not sure any game cams use the satellite networks… nor that I’d want to pay for the service!
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Is it legal to set up and leave any camera on state land in NY? Is it Conservation Law that sets the rules for that? No guessing or BS please--What is the law?
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According to the DEC website, go to the regulations page and use West Law Next's website for Rules and regulations. According to west law site, General 190.8 (w) puts some doubt whether your allowed to place trail cameras on state lands without authorization. I don't use trail cameras so someone that has interest in using trail cameras should investigate this further. This was copied and pasted from west laws site.
Use of state lands general 6CRR-NY 190.8 (w)
(w) No person shall erect, construct, install, maintain, store, discard or abandon any structure or any other property on State lands or subsequently use such structure or property on State lands, except if the structure or property is authorized by the department or is:
(1) a geocache that is labeled with the owner’s name and address and installed in a manner that does not disturb the natural conditions of the site or injure a tree;
(2) a camping structure or equipment that is placed and used legally pursuant to this Part;
(3) a legally placed trap or appurtenance that is placed and used during trapping season;
(4) a tree stand or hunting blind that does not injure a tree, is properly marked or tagged with the owner’s name and address or valid hunting or fishing license number, and is placed and used during big game season, migratory game bird season, or turkey season; or
(5) a wildlife viewing blind or stand that is placed for a duration not to exceed 30 days in one location per calendar year, does not injure a tree, and is properly marked or tagged with the owner's name and address or valid hunting or fishing license number.
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Thanks for that ATS1755. Looks like there may already be a law on the books for state land in NYS so the debate is not worth the energy(for NY). I enjoy using cameras on my place to capture pics of game and as an extra benefit they keep me informed as to who else may be enjoying my place without me knowing. What the heck is a geocache ???
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What the heck is a geocache ???
https://geocaching.com
For a lot of people, it is a reason to go hiking or explore the outdoors. You can take or leave a trinket after you've located one. I've found a few by accident, and it could be a fun thing to do.
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If I come upon one on public land, either cellular or regular I just sit down and have lunch, take a leak, nap whatever. Go out of my way to walk past it on purpose to make it look like there is lots of traffic so the owner would not want to come back. Friends have set up camp right in front of cameras before for the same reason. I prefer to have a little fun with it rather than let it bother me. Most of the time it disappears pretty quickly after that. Imagine getting all excited you have pics and all you see is 400 pics of someone just puttering around in front of the camera.
My cameras are only on private. Some cellular, some regular. You wouldn't believe how many people are just helping themselves to the back 40 even when posted thoroughly. The cellular ones haven't had any immediate benefit like some think. Mostly just verifies I was in the wrong spot again or that I pushed deer out on my way in. They have increased my hunting time and improved the age structure as I am more inclined to pass younger bucks if I have pics of an older one around. I can understand where an entire fleet of these used by guides for profit could be a fair chase concern but a few here and there for personal use I don't see as a problem.
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I thought hard about this one and realized it does not effect me even though I have three cell cams they are all on pvt land, and most if not all of the state and or dep I hunt does not have cell service. I think to each their own
P.S I love running camera's I run between 7-11of them 50% of the year, and only harvested 3 or four deer that I have ever had on camera, I believe they are vital if you are trying to obtain larger game in your hunting areas but that's just my opinion, and we all know what they are
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Yes I run trail cams they are a great tool to use to see what’s in the area both traditional and a couple spy points this is the same argument of the x- bow do we want to advance or just complain about what others are using and no I don’t use a crossbow I’m still the guy that uses my bow rifle and muzzle loader but I’m not gonna look down on the person who uses a legal weapon or camera during the right seasons
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This may be a thread hijack but I think that its a good story so------we have a camera covering a stand on private property and I dropped a gun hunter off at this stand for an afternoon hunt. After the hunt I told him to sit tight and I would pick him up with the UTV after shooting time. When I picked him up I pulled the card on the camera and he said that he saw a few does and a spike. After dinner I got on the computer to check the weeks pictures out and saw clearly when I dropped him at the stand. About an hour later there were 3 pictures of a decent 10 70 yards away from the stand and the camera was set on a 1 minute delay so that buck was in the zone for at least 3 minutes with good clear time stamped pics. I called the hunter up and told him about the buck -- he thought that I was just busting on him so i told him that I would save that card for the evidence of the story. When he saw it he admitted that he was on his cell phone for the first hour that he was in the stand not paying attention and also said that he would have taken that buck without thought seeing more than 3 on a side. Win some--Tag soup some (hunt)
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you guys are all cheaters! I use only a spear, follow big tracks, and only on public land. To each their own.
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I'm pro camera on the private land I hunt and some quasi public land .... i just put in 2 cell cameras last fall in remote areas that I can't always get back too ... didn't hunt either spots this year and both cameras died on 16 December ... different brands .. Conspiracy? CAN'T get back to both until spring to fix .... most of my game cameras are in the vicinity of a stand so besides keeping tabs on deer and bear I get to see who's interested in my stands ... here's a great game camera story how I got permission recently to an additional 65 acres bordering the 30 acre piece I was hunting ... I emailed the owner a game camera picture and video of a motorcyclist driving on their field and I told them I'd post their property in exchange for BOW hunting permission .... they got back with me in 5 minutes and gave me permission ..... and told them if I'm not in there I'd probably have a game camera somewhere watching over their property .... they liked that
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This
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Lmaof muskrat has had some good replies this past couple weeks
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I want to mention any part of me that would not mind a ban on cell cams on public is not about cheating. It is more about how recently I get to remote spots, with a little service and find a cell cam. Now there is cell service at the tops of these hills even 2 miles back. Actually recently ran into a cell cam over looking a jar of peanut butter and a bunch of cut limbs with a climber. Its like he owned the place. Only so many people can do that on public before it gets too much. I would not actively fight for this ban in NY but I also would not vote against it.
Quite literally almost can't take a sh*t in the woods without checking your baffles for a camera. (Need to look up too. It make sense to bring a climbing stick with you to get the camera out of arm's reach.) Now I know they are not that prevalent but what about when the technology gets better and cheaper?
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I would not actively fight for this ban in NY but I also would not vote against it
ATS post says NY state land camera use is already banned---the law is on the books
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Trail cameras are not illegal on NY public. How many cameras are we seeing on public land? I have yet to see one cell camera and I’ve put the miles down. Never had my hunting experience effected, by the legal tactics others are using. (Jack lighting and road hunting, is another topic)..From what I understand the western states that have banned them are having some issues in areas where water is scarce, and people are crowding those water sources, with blinds and cameras, not really an issue in our area.
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Not sure, but do trailcams on public, need to be marked with your info like treestands!