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So that's 2 for lack of habitat that make total sense to me. Grouse and other small game covers were best on the edges. Split rail fences are impossible to mow with a tractor and beaver flows are cleared out by feeding on trees and wet feet of non water loving trees. We never went into the sugarbushes because the mature maples had a very small amount of understory growth--nothing grows well in the shade! NY has a forestry school(ESF in Syracuse)and has foresters on the payroll in most regions. What is their take on the no harvest of trees laws that the state has on the books. Has anyone done a study of how many board feet of a renewable resources we are letting rot on the stump? How many jobs would be made if we used some of the knowledge and harvested some of the states resources? We might have some money to fix some roads or build some schools from the process. No takers on my ending question yet. How many ringneck have you seen end in a pile of feathers after they were released(I don't recall ever finding a pile of grouse feathers)
What year was the constitution of NY written GrizG? Thanks for a great post teaching me information on the topic. Was it in a time that clear cutting for paper and leather production was being done and was the norm? Was it written by a person that had a forestry background or by a politician? It just sounds very extreme because the timber is being destroyed by falling over and rotting. How is that a benefit to our ecosystem or our state? 1777 was our 1st NY constitution written in Kingston. What year did the no timber deal get added---1893 the forever wild part of the constitution hit the books. Deforestation was a major concern in that day. I would like to think that a lot has changed in knowledge on the topic and that we could amend the knee jerk reaction that the state thought was such a great idea at the time it was written. Forever is a long time not to think. You can see where it has gotten us--yotehntr sums it up in a nutshell.
your funny Ziff. Get off your boat and take a walk in our Forever Wild woods and see what a mature forest doesn't do for the big and small game. Next to 0 food if the beach and oak don't have nuts and the wild cherry freeze out in the spring. When the deer start eating Mt. Laurel it's a sad sight to see. We have had almost 130 years of this Forever Wild deal and now we can see what some of the problems are from this policy. A well managed forest has more benefits to the ecosystem in my opinion for the good of the state.A Ruffed Grouse is a bird that your dog points, is flushed and shot in the air. A partridge is a game bird that gets shot for dinner when you see it and the second flush gets shot in the air.
As far as ruffed grouse, there’s still some in the mountain laurel, you can’t kill ‘em, you hear them flush but never see them. Definitely not the numbers from 20+ years ago.
heres a plug for the NWTF from this months TURKEY CALL which shows a project in the HUDSON VAllEY on private land improving habitat for Turkey and small game ..... it only costs $35 to join and they send u a $25 bass pro gift card