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Title: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 06, 2020, 07:07:53 PM
https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/121297.html

Anybody finding dead deer local? Buddy found ten in my neighborhood and supposedly DEC confirmed 30 Goshen. Letís hope doesnít get too bad
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: walkabout on September 07, 2020, 05:21:05 PM
Lets hope not for sure.
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Post by: retired on September 07, 2020, 06:03:45 PM
Does anybody know if it is contagious to dogs and cats
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Post by: Overland on September 07, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
Does anybody know if it is contagious to dogs and cats

It can only affect animals with hooves. Dogs and cats are safe.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 08, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
Guys, check your spots along water sources.. Iím sick. Just found 8 deer that died from EHD in southern Dutchess county.  Going to be a tough year in spots.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 09, 2020, 08:39:57 AM
i guess a mild winter isn't a good thing Ö.. ive been walking around 3m and 3p since March and haven't found a single dead deer so hope it stays that way and those affected wish the best
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 09, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
Some pics
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Post by: Yotehntr on September 09, 2020, 10:59:08 AM
Nice 11 point.
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Post by: Scottymags on September 09, 2020, 11:18:49 AM
Damn,that sucks!havent seen any dead in the Rhinebeck area yet.hope that I donít!Good luck with your season.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Camp Cook on September 09, 2020, 08:58:03 PM
Letís hope for an early frost to slow it
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Post by: walkabout on September 10, 2020, 06:11:48 AM
Thats a shame hope it doesnt get to bad.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 10, 2020, 07:27:09 AM
info about EHD... and according to the fact sheet Hurricane Irene helped move the virus out in Rockland Ö. so I guess besides frost a hurricane would help Ö.. probably the only benefit of a hurricane
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 10, 2020, 10:37:51 AM
Two dead in pond rock tavern Orange County...
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 10, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
now that's in my backyard
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 10, 2020, 05:36:03 PM
Tremendous death in Washingtonville/rock tavern area, Went looking today. At one point,  I walked up to a dying doe, thinking it was another corpse.  it got up and staggered through the brush. Never seen anything like this.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 10, 2020, 05:44:33 PM
Here are a few
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Post by: walkabout on September 10, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
Omg that really sucks.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Labman519 on September 11, 2020, 08:46:37 AM
This was mentioned at my gun club meeting on Wednesday night. I wouldnít have known about it. This really sucks
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 11, 2020, 09:31:43 AM
Itís widespread, much more than they think. At this rate wonít be anything left by the season. My friend in fishkill been in the woods for 10 minutes and found 2 dead and is now watching a bedded doe die...

Title: Re: EHD
Post by: bowski76 on September 11, 2020, 09:38:21 AM
This happened in Rockland County about 10 years ago. I saw 12 dead deer in a small wooded lot.
My friend works for the highway dept and they were picking up multiple dead deer everyday.

Very sad to see.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ATS1755 on September 11, 2020, 10:35:53 AM
What a shame! I've been out checking the water sources this past week around my hunting areas ( wurtsboro and rock hill) and thankfully nothing that I have seen. Hopefully it didn't' reach this far north.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Relf25 on September 11, 2020, 12:59:15 PM
This is scary stuff, what r some symptoms? I had a nice buck show up with a swollen and hurt upper leg
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 11, 2020, 02:34:10 PM
Basically high fever, and foaming/drooling from the mouth. Doesnít sound like that deer has it, but maybe? . Easy way to tell if your spot has it, is walk the water sources. Hopefully it stays out of ulster county, thatís where Iíll probably be this year, at this point
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Post by: BuckSniper22 on September 11, 2020, 10:18:24 PM
Iím in Campbell Hall right on the Washingtonville border. I have a pond in my backyard. When I got home tonight after dark I can smell something dead.  Going to check in the morning
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 12, 2020, 08:57:45 AM
We found 1 buck and 5 does in one small pond yesterday, in rock tavern. Itís getting ridiculous over 30 dead in my neighborhood, that we know of. Yesterday in 400 yd stretch of creek 13 bodies.

Cambel hall area definitely has it, driving down 207 can smell death, where where streams cross the rd. Let us know what you find
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: wardy on September 14, 2020, 09:45:28 AM
Im pretty sure this disease is not contagious. It comes from a bug bite and wont spread from deer to deer. Hey Yote, im in union vale in Dutchess. Havenít heard of any dead animals yet here. Would like to know what town in southern dutchess. You can pm me if u prefer
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 14, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
one of my original posts has an info sheet on it Ö not contagious from deer to deer Ö the vector is the NO SEE UMS fly
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 14, 2020, 02:26:17 PM
Garrison up through fishkill and from what Iíve seen, mostly on river side of mountains. In Orange County, mostly goshen Campbell hall Rock tavern.Some spots get hit very hard, while you can go a mile away and not see any signs of it. I think the concentration of deer in area and the availability of water, is the big thing. If thereís a lot of deer visiting one area of water, thatís swarming with midges. Itís bad news. One farm in Goshen had 26 dead
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: walkabout on September 14, 2020, 08:02:55 PM
Hey yote just incase u or any friends are collecting any of the horns from the decaying carcass be very carefull not to get any bacteria into a cut.  I almost lost a finger in less then 24hrs was put on iv and i have friends who got a bad infection also. Dangorous stuff.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 15, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
Wow, thatís pretty crazy. Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully I donít come across anymore. Iím keeping fingers crossed on a couple, that live in the zones. In the 30ís tonight. It might slow it down. Weíre Still Seeing sick deer. Feel bad for them
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: BuckSniper22 on September 16, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
Just checked the cam in the corner of my yard. I have 4 or 5 pics of a doe with tongue swollen hanging out of her mouth. Not sure if itís EHD but it looks like it.   Iím retarded and canít figure out how to post the pic.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on September 16, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
Seems I'm late posting. Heck I talked to DEC today about touching the deer. He never said anything about this kind of numbers.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: deanhuntsny on September 18, 2020, 09:12:24 AM
I havenít found any dead deer personally, but driving by some areas close to where I live and hunt I have smelled dead animal quite a bit. I hope it doesnít continue on for too much longer and stays away from some of the places I hunt. Very unfortunate, but not much we can do about it. Letís just all hope for rain and a good frost!
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 18, 2020, 09:45:59 PM
Yup, frost is about all we can hope for. Good idea for hunters to make a quick run through water sources before the season. Goshen, to cold spring,  then up to fishkill, is where it seems heaviest to me. It seems mostly south of 84, but I know Walden and wallkill also have it, but donít know the extent.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on September 20, 2020, 04:51:07 PM
This alert just came across my phone
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 20, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
That frost would be great.

Found this one today. Looks old, but is from this year. It still had some velvet on one of its tines. Died Mid August if had to guess
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on September 20, 2020, 06:36:09 PM
im honestly  thinking of buying my license and staying home this year. As much as i love bowhunting the herd i feel took a hard hit with this.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: touge30 on September 20, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
your a good man but thats a little harsh .Everyone that got a doe permit should throw it in the woodstove .its only meat price chopper has plenty.Shoot those bears and yotes
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: FULL DRAW on September 21, 2020, 09:48:02 AM
Found 10-15 dead ones this weekend in Orange County not far from Stewart, only checked half the water holes on a 100 acre piece, wouldn't be surprised if there are 30-40 dead on this piece easy. Some I could smell and didn't bother looking for in the thick brush. Saw one 8pt hobbling around with that gut shot look. Then I talked to guy from Putnam who found 40-50 on a few parcels past few weeks.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on September 21, 2020, 10:10:18 AM
Fostertown Road buck. Found a doe decaying near a old pump station just up the stream from this guy. Maggots in the water gave her away. Did kick up a sleeping doe seemed wobbly on her feet.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 21, 2020, 11:50:53 AM
Report all the ones you come across to the DEC. Theres nothing they can do, but I think theyíre just Now grasping the severity of the situation. Hopefully next year theyíll take it easy on the DMPís because areas are going to need the herd rebuilt.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on September 21, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
Another frost tonight for Walden area.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: DXT on September 21, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
34* with frost this morning in my area, hopefully that will stop it 🤞 itís really disturbing and sad to see.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: WEM144 on September 21, 2020, 07:56:49 PM
Yes i agree DXT.  This is devastating and sure hope the frost helps. 
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 23, 2020, 01:43:03 PM
More bad news. Walked Stewart today and found 6 dead and one doe about to die. A friend that works for the parks dept, said bear mountain, Harriman and fahnestock are being affected. Also,  they just found one in crum elbow creek in Hyde park. Yesterday Clintondale..
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jdbbowhunter on September 23, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
I believe this is a lot worse than anybody knows. Hopefully the frost has helped. Mother nature can be cruel!!
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Carm on September 23, 2020, 07:56:37 PM
Is it just me, or is DEC way behind on this? There was an article in the Pok Journal today about it. It was somewhat informative, but I'd like to see them get a DEC official on record about this.

The fact it may be in Hyde Park is troubling
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 23, 2020, 07:57:39 PM
I believe this is a lot worse than anybody knows. Hopefully the frost has helped. Mother nature can be cruel!!

Yes, thousands are dead in the Hudson Valley. Iíve been tripping over dead deer in the woods for couple weeks now. Itís really, really bad.  Hopefully, hunters in our area show some restraint on the harvesting of does.

Iíve been e-mailing The DEC and so far theyíve tallied 450 likely EHD mortalities.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: DXT on September 24, 2020, 07:29:08 AM
I believe this is a lot worse than anybody knows. Hopefully the frost has helped. Mother nature can be cruel!!

Yes, thousands are dead in the Hudson Valley. Iíve been tripping over dead deer in the woods for couple weeks now. Itís really, really bad.  Hopefully, hunters in our area show some restraint on the harvesting of does.

Iíve been e-mailing The DEC and so far theyíve tallied 450 likely EHD mortalities.
wow, this is crazy, thanks for keeping us posted Yotehunter.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: LouieM on September 24, 2020, 07:57:26 AM
at this point sounds like they should stop giving out 3m tags
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jdbbowhunter on September 24, 2020, 08:03:15 AM
Agreed they should stop giving out more doe tags 3m. But id be willing to bet you can get more on Nov1st, with leftover tags.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: deanhuntsny on September 26, 2020, 10:57:45 AM
I was more hopeful a few weeks ago as I did not see it in the spots I hunt. Now one of my areas Is being hit bad. I personally have found 5 deer dead so far all in a small area. Itís very sad smelling death everywhere. I think of of my spots is safe for now, but I donít really know. Another I havenít found any dead deer, but it sets up right and is in the band that seems to be effected. Just keeping my fingers crossed for a good season where it doesnít hit hard and definitely will refrain from using my 3m for tags.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 26, 2020, 02:29:59 PM
Unfortunately I get to add to this bad news channel Ö.. Today I found 3 dead deer within 300 feet of each other in one of my spots in Cornwall. The last few weeks I've been walking around 3p and 3m over and over again covering the same terrain and up until today have not found anything. I was last in this spot a week ago Wednesday so these have died in the last ten days since I covered the same terrain last time out. After finding the first one I felt like I was in a horror movie afraid to look around and all that was missing was the scary music. Its hard for me to say that this wont affect my bow season but probably will put all my 3m doe tags away since I always plan on donating any does but don't see how local butchers in our area can donate anything until there's a hard frost @ least Ö. its too bad was looking forward to donating more so this year since I figured there were more families in need of meat Ö. ill just focus on mature bucks that survive and hopefully there will be a real hard frost by the rut Ö. Ill be out opening day but probably to just get a first hand look @ whats what and doubt the bow will come off the hook Ö. sorry for the bad news
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ole bleu on September 26, 2020, 02:33:35 PM
Mother Nature at her finest moment what a shame
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 26, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
if I ever cross paths with her she better be faster than my BEMAN
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 26, 2020, 05:19:46 PM
Tough break..Reading about it, is one thing, seeing it is another. In some ways itís awesome, to see The mechanics Of Nature at work, systematically attacking. Thoroughly ruthless.

We should be glad, us humans are not on the receiving end of that disease. Although Corona is bad, it canít light a candle to EHD, when it comes to doing what viruses do.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 26, 2020, 08:33:13 PM
Saw this on another forum.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 26, 2020, 09:09:41 PM
something I wish none of us had to experience
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: WEM144 on September 26, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
This whole thing is terrible...... frost canít come soon enough.....
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: matty168 on September 26, 2020, 09:29:40 PM
What would you like the DEC to do about it? 
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 27, 2020, 12:06:34 PM
obviously there's nothing that can be done about EHD but that doesn't mean stop doing anything Ö..

What's the game plan now and moving forward Ö. is it status quo and according to their press release 4 weeks ago a normal occurrence?

Maybe the DEC holds some sort of virtual town hall to explain what's going on behind the scenes and answer some of my dumb questions Ö.

I easily found 3 dead deer where none were 10 days ago Ö statistically what does that mean? instead of using a Vietnam era body count means is anyone modeling what the actual numbers are and will that data impact the endless numbers of 3m doe permits now and in the future Ö.

did the cold snap do anything last week or does all the rotting infected corpses provide more ammo for a new batch of midges now that we once again have tropical weather Ö

I have all kind of stupid questions and very few of them are answered in a 4 week old press release telling me how normal this is...

I've hunted over half my life and most in NY Ö tripping over 3 dead deer feet apart is not normal Ö. not for here
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Carm on September 27, 2020, 01:56:00 PM
Agree with the above 100%.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: brushwolf on September 27, 2020, 07:45:00 PM
 +1
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ole bleu on September 27, 2020, 09:09:07 PM
Yes this is not normal and as usual DEC is blind 3m is a unit with tons of dmp permits are they gonna rescind some??? That would be my main concern!!!
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: BuckSniper22 on September 27, 2020, 11:05:22 PM
One of my customers watched a buck die in her yard today. She called DEC to see if they wanted to come and test or remove the deer. They told her they were no longer testing.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 28, 2020, 07:29:28 AM
yup Ö the DEC seems to have cut and run in my opinion ÖÖ.. I also recall years ago driving by a deer farm out in Goshen Ö. Musicon Deer Farm at 385 Scotchtown Rd, Goshen, NY 10924 Ö.. not sure if its still running but I recall one of the few articles about this saying one of the first cases was near Purgatory road which is a few miles from where this game farm is ÖÖ if that game farm is still running I would hope the DEC would investigate any connection
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: LouieM on September 28, 2020, 07:31:08 AM
I agree with above, where is the updated DEC press release? I sent them an email last week asking for an update and what areas are they most concerned with and they referred me to the article from 9/3...   
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 28, 2020, 07:36:38 AM
and the article refers u to an endless loop in REGION 3 on who to call Ö.. the first few numbers rejected my call until I was able to leave a voicemail which im sure no one will return Ö.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jdbbowhunter on September 28, 2020, 09:04:54 AM
Deer farm in Goshen has been closed for quite a while now. It will be up to hunters to use or not use their DMP.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 28, 2020, 09:46:33 AM
Deer farm in Goshen has been closed for quite a while now. It will be up to hunters to use or not use their DMP.

Exactly, thatís why itís important for the hunting community, to get the word out, so that more hunters choose to not use their tags in places affected.

Title: Re: EHD
Post by: WEM144 on September 28, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Iím hearing of signs of this disease in New Paltz and Highland.  I have two buddies, not on this site, telling me they are seeing the deer staggering and finding them dead etc .  I donít know specific details others then that.  Not good tho.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: DXT on September 28, 2020, 04:33:07 PM
Iím hearing of signs of this disease in New Paltz and Highland.  I have two buddies, not on this site, telling me they are seeing the deer staggering and finding them dead etc .  I donít know specific details others then that.  Not good tho.
Wow thatís not good, I did see a post about a guy that boated down the walkill river and found 6 dead deer including one really nice buck. So far I havenít found any dead deer 🤞. As mentioned above the hunting community needs to inform each other and make smart choices when it comes to doe harvesting.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 28, 2020, 07:45:12 PM
Buddy found a bunch all the way out in Patterson. Thatís 45 miles east of Goshen, the furthest west I know of. The I 84 corridor seems to be hit the hardest, but It is apparently creeping Itís way north. I did some more scouting today and found 6 dead in the morning, but located some areas that donít appear to have it yet, with some good deer sign.

I heard a rumor, that the DEC might close off Stewart, so questioned the DEC biologist, I been sending reports to, and this is the response.


ďCurrently, DEC doesn't have any plans to close or otherwise limit deer harvest at Stewart SF this coming hunting season.  DEC manages deer populations on a WMU level and the impact of EHD on that scale is still unknown.  That being said, certain locations that seem to have been hit harder by EHD may see a decrease in recreational harvest this season.  If, after this season, harvest indices suggest deer populations on the WMU scale are at or below desired levels, future issuance of Deer Management Permits (DMPs) may be reduced to either stabilize or increase deer populations as necessary.   

Thank you for the observational reports you have submitted, it does seem like more people are becoming aware of the outbreak and taking action to report EHD moralities. 

If you have any more questions, feel free to let me know.Ē


Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 29, 2020, 09:37:34 AM
YOTE Ö. THanks for sharing but I work for the government and that sounds like to me all the non-answers I get all day Ö.. that answer doesn't seem like the DEC is getting out in front of this and by time they are done with business as usual it maybe too late ÖÖ getting in front of this to me is doing things like closing Stewart Ö. restricting or eliminating doe harvest and 1 buck only in Orange county Ö until @ least the DEc engages the public with real time data that supports that there's no need for measures like that ÖÖ  every time I post elsewhere I get the typical statement "the DEC cant cure EHD what do you expect them to do" well to be honest I expect them to do things I don't know can even be done because im just joe civilian buying my hunting license Ö. they are the ones charged with managing and protecting the wildlife Ö...
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: DXT on September 29, 2020, 09:45:01 AM
Typical NY agency, re active not pro active..... some other states have no problem shutting down a area if they see a problem with the MANAGEMENT of game harvesting, but no not NY, they will see about it next year, lol.
But with that said, it is Mother Natureís work, maybe itís a way of mixing up the gene pool, it sucks and I would like to see some changes or restrictions to affected areas but I also put trust in Mother Nature.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 29, 2020, 10:32:05 AM
look @ todays frontpage story in the Times Herald Record ..... quite ironic actaully
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 29, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
someone sent me an email they got from the DEC today:

Mr. xxxxxx,

I agree that DEC should provide additional information to hunters since the original September 3rd press release regarding the confirmation of EHD in our region. Since that time, reports of deer dying from EHD have been received from northeastern Rockland, eastern Orange, southwestern Ulster, southwestern Dutchess, Putnam and northwestern Westchester Counties. Though DEC has received over 700 reports of deer that have likely died from EHD, the impact to the total population is still unknown.

Regional staff is currently working with DEC Central Office to provide additional information on the outbreak to both residents and hunters in the impacted areas.

Currently, I'm not aware of any EHD reports in the Middletown area. The reports I've received have included Goshen and east .

You may be aware of this information already, but here is some information on EHD:

The EHD virus is carried by biting midges, small bugs often called no-see-ums or 'punkies.' Once infected with EHD, deer usually die within 36 hours. The disease is not spread from deer to deer or from deer to humans. EHD symptoms include fever, hemorrhage in muscle or organs, swelling of the head, neck, tongue, and lips. A deer infected with EHD may appear lame or dehydrated. Frequently, infected deer will seek out water sources and many succumb near a water source. There is no treatment for nor means to prevent EHD. The dead deer do not serve as a source of infection for other animals.

Hunters should not handle or eat any deer that appears sick or acts strangely. Sightings of sick or dying deer should be reported to the nearest DEC Regional Office or to an Environmental Conservation Police Officer.

If you have additional questions, feel free to contact me directly. I would also be available to speak on the phone if you would prefer. If so, please provide your phone number as I'm currently out of the office.

Regards,


Wildlife Biologist - Region 3
Department of Environmental Conservation
office: (845) 256-3090
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ruck on September 29, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
I just heard from an acquaintance that he saw a few dead deer near Titicus Reservoir in Westchester that did not appear to be road kill. I fished there today,  I didn't see any dead deer, but definitely did smell dead animal a few times in the breeze. This is spreading fast.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ole bleu on September 29, 2020, 04:10:56 PM
I believe I found my first one today in the New Paltz area along the Wallkill River
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: furchaser on September 29, 2020, 06:20:54 PM
i was smelling something dead for a couple of days and went into the woods straight behind my house by following the smell and found a dead doe.could of been a car hit or the ehd.i'm in dutchess county off salt point turnpike near the boces school.coyotes were screaming a few days ago at 2:30a.m near the area,but the doe hasn't been chewed on.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 29, 2020, 07:30:59 PM
YOTE Ö. THanks for sharing but I work for the government and that sounds like to me all the non-answers I get all day Ö.. that answer doesn't seem like the DEC is getting out in front of this and by time they are done with business as usual it maybe too late ÖÖ getting in front of this to me is doing things like closing Stewart Ö. restricting or eliminating doe harvest and 1 buck only in Orange county Ö until @ least the DEc engages the public with real time data that supports that there's no need for measures like that ÖÖ  every time I post elsewhere I get the typical statement "the DEC cant cure EHD what do you expect them to do" well to be honest I expect them to do things I don't know can even be done because im just joe civilian buying my hunting license Ö. they are the ones charged with managing and protecting the wildlife Ö...

Yeah, any of these bureaucrat organizations, are too slow to move on anything. Whatís the point of reporting, if the only thing that can be done, is wait until the harvest numbers show how bad it is? At this point we know the herd already took a hit and anything we can do now, will be helpful, getting it back where it should be
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on September 30, 2020, 10:17:46 AM
heres West Point notice to hunters:

"EPIZOOTIC HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE & THE 2020 DEER SEASON Ė 25 SEPTEMBER 2020

        As most of you probably know by now, the deer herd in the lower Hudson Valley has been affected this year by an outbreak of Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD). This disease is a caused by a virus and is transmitted by midges - very tiny semi-aquatic biting flies also known as ďno-see-umsĒ. When a midge feeds on an infected deer, it picks up the virus and then passes it on when it subsequently feeds on an uninfected deer. Infected deer suffer from internal bleeding, fever, shock and eventual death. EHD manifests as dead and dying deer appear without apparent injury, often near water. There are no known effective treatments to save infected deer or mitigations to prevent outbreaks. Thankfully, EHD does not affect humans or pets, and cannot be transmitted even from one deer to another without first passing through a midge during each transmission.
        EHD outbreaks tend to occur in late summer and early fall when deer concentrate near midge breeding sites. This disease is endemic to the southern United States but has traveled through deer populations to the northern-most extent of its range where we live. Outbreaks end with the coming of cold weather in the autumn when the first frost kills off the midge population.  In this area, outbreaks have historically occurred intermittently. Prior to this yearís outbreak, EHD last struck deer in this area in 2011 when it occurred in Rockland County and northern New Jersey. The EHD outbreak of 2020 is widespread and is currently affecting multiple counties and townships throughout our area. For more information, see the Cornell University Wildlife Health Programís EHD Fact Sheet at https://cwhl.vet.cornell.edu/system/files/public/CWHL%20Fact%20Sheets-EHD.pdf ).
        At West Point, we, in the Natural Resources Branch, have responded to dead deer reports on the reservation in mid- to late August and throughout September. In almost every case, the cause of death was not obvious as most carcasses were in an advanced state of decay. Still, we had our suspicions. On September 3rd, 2020, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) confirmed the presence of EHD in Orange and Putnam Counties. On September 21st, we located a freshly dead deer showing several clinical signs of EHD. All told, we have responded to over a dozen dead deer on Post (Cantonment) and in the nearby woods. Off-post detection is considerably more difficult, and it is unknown if deer in wooded areas are equally at risk. (For more information, see DEC press release at https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/121297.htm ).
PICTURED LEFT, This deer, found near Central Area on Main Post almost certainly succumbed to EHD. Note the discolored tongue due to lack of blood oxygen. The lesions on the tip of the tongue are typical of the disease. When moved, blood ran from the deerís mouth indicating bleeding into the lungs. There were no other visible external injuries.
Many of you will have questions as to how the presence of EHD will affect this yearís deer harvest, both in general for hunting in our region of New York State and specifically in hunting here at West Point. For a big picture view of EHD in the Hudson Valley, we contacted the NYS DEC regional deer biologist in New Paltz.
        The State has no current plans to alter harvest, preferring a wait-and-see approach for now. The thinking is that EHD in this area has not shown itself to significantly impact deer populations long-term, that deer populations are resilient through birth rates and emigration from source populations, and that only a portion of EHD related mortality is additive to total mortality (i.e. some portion of the deer lost to EHD would have been taken by hunters anyway). In this region, the state management strategy has been to address regional over-abundance by maintaining or slightly reducing the population to balance with ecological and cultural carrying capacity. Population maintenance is managed through the doe take by issuing or withholding DMP tags. Should the buck take be diminished, indicating a substantial population hit, the State will respond by limiting the number of future 3P DMP tags issued.
Here at West Point, we at the Natural Resources Branch have considered an appropriate local response and, in the best interests of hunter safety, herd health, and issue tracking, have the settled on the following recommendations and requests:
First, any hunter that observes a deer showing any sign of EHD - including drooling, dehydration, loss of motor control or exhibiting strange behavior - should not harvest such an animal. It will be poor food. With specific respect to EHD, Early Season deer hunters are more likely to encounter deer with EHD. With the onset of colder weather, the midges that spread the disease should be killed off and so Regular and Late Season deer hunter are less likely to encounter deer with EHD. However, regardless of when or where such a deer or any other sick game is encountered, sound advice in general to all sportsmen: Never consume a sick animal.
Second, rather than change our deer harvest regulations for hunters this year, we are advocating for a voluntary response from our hunters - please consider limiting your harvest to one West Point deer this year. Since a. annual bag limits were already published in the 2020-21 West Point Hunting Notice; b. many of you have already purchased your tags, permits, and licenses; and c. the state is not advocating for a change in management, a local regulation requiring further harvest reduction beyond what we already mandate does not seem productive. Instead we are asking hunters who want to try for a second or a third deer in 2020, consider hunting off-reservation.
The Stateís prediction for the long term impact of EHD on the local deer population is most likely true and any population loss will likely bounce back, but we have done a great deal to improve the herd here at West Point through local regulation and should preserve the gains we have made, if possible.
Third, we are asking that any hunters who discover a deer carcass (excluding those on highway roadsides) or who encounter a live, suspect deer at West Point to please report that animal to us. Awareness of the extent of the problem is important and hunters are an invaluable resource.  We are consolidating and reporting on incidence of dead deer to the State. Hunters should report discovery of a carcass or suspect animal encounter via email titled ďEHD ReportĒ to including date, time, location, and if possible, a photo.
We do not yet know the extent of the damage caused by EHD and are unlikely to until after the season. Limiting the take to the voluntary minimum will do much to mitigate any potential EHD population loss by limiting total mortality. Good data, shared with the State agency, will help determine next steps. Itís a responsible thing to do, and Iím sure something our hunting community can get behind.
Best to you, and good luck if you go.
Natural Resources Manager"
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Carm on September 30, 2020, 10:38:45 AM
Read between the lines on the state's response (little conspiracy theory here):

The deer numbers in NY are too high (according to some group lobbying us, i.e. insurance companies).  The total harvest numbers each year, including the poaching estimates, is still not enough to bring the numbers down.  So, we know EHD is bad, but we need to get those numbers down and we are gonna let EHD do it for us. 

It's all smoke and mirrors.  One reason the DEC is behind is because this is on the very bottom of the state's priority list.  Even if they wanted to track or model it they don't have the resources, money, or personnel.  On the east side of the Hudson, where deer numbers are high, any hit to the population will most likley recover soon.  On the west side however, in areas where hunters have worked hard in combination with AR rules to get improved herds and age structures, probably feel like it's all gone.  And they may well be right for the short term.  This is where DEC can get out ahead and start looking at whether harvests may need an emergency adjustment.  Local residents can show restraint, but when the orange army arrives on opening day from out of town...look out.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 30, 2020, 01:41:25 PM
Hereís one from Cornwall apparently. I did see a nice 8 point off 84 this morning, in an EHD area. So there are and will be survivors..
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: walkabout on September 30, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
I found 3 in walden in 20min.  finding a lot now in 3J
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: DXT on September 30, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
I found 3 in walden in 20min.  finding a lot now in 3J
😲
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on September 30, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Unfortunately, There have been reports as far north as catskill. Pretty amazing how fast small Bugs, can spread out.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ole bleu on September 30, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
This state needs to look at management overall our tick population thrives in this area due to the lack of new regulations we canít burn leaves in the fall or burn our fields in the spring which all results in new growth for management practices our own state lands are all mature standing timber which will rot before a select harvest could happen to allow new growth for new habitat to regenerate our forest you watch our own ADKS mountains are set to resemble whatís happening in California could be disastrous to small towns up there
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on October 01, 2020, 07:12:26 AM
I found 3 in walden in 20min.  finding a lot now in 3J

Farm on Osiris Rd found 10 deer in the pond. I use to have 10-14 deer come through the yard. Was seeing 2 now only 1 deer. She looks ok but I fear she will get it soon. Heard of some others hear and there being found.  I'm lucky if I see a deer driving to work now.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on October 02, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Up to 750..
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: walkabout on October 03, 2020, 07:22:58 PM
and thats only whats been found or reported.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jdbbowhunter on October 03, 2020, 08:30:59 PM
 +1 Think # could be alot higher than that. IMO.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on October 04, 2020, 09:48:56 AM
Ill be the first to admit that I don't know the first thing about EHD Ö. other than tripping over all the rotting carcasses Ö. my first reaction is that I shouldn't shoot does to help the recovery Ö. well heres a counterpoint to that theory from Drury Thirteen Ö..

https://youtu.be/0lx8tgferKY

take it for what its worth Ö agree or disagree but other than the same piece of paper I've been reading over and over again ill stuff this into my EHD basket of knowledge Ö..

to be honest I hope they are wrong with their buck theory on EHD but just like this episode says it's hard to tell early season because all the deer disappear from cameras during normal times but with EHD going on it makes u scratch your head Ö I know every one of my cameras has gone down to almost no activity the last 4 weeks Ö.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on October 04, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
A large portion of the herd in 3m is gone. The eastern half of 3n, As well. It will take a few years to recover. Donít want to sound pessimistic, but it is what it is. In some ways, itís a good thing.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: KillerCrow on October 05, 2020, 03:47:38 PM
I pray itís just moon pattern but my cams in 3c &a are dead, and only seen one doe from the stand and she was running all around like she was getting chased but there was nothing there, was very very weird
Best of luck guys
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ruck on October 05, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
Fished Titicus today and there was a dead deer in the water, being fed on by two eagles.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: walkabout on October 05, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
Still some around in 3c. Took in a nice healthy 3.5 year old 8 pt today.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Relf25 on October 06, 2020, 06:01:16 AM
A large portion of the herd in 3m is gone. The eastern half of 3n, As well. It will take a few years to recover. Donít want to sound pessimistic, but it is what it is. In some ways, itís a good thing.

3M is a huge area to say a large portion of the deer are dead. It hits harder is certain pockets. Making the overall picture look bleak. I hunt 3M and few spots I hunt I havenít noticed anything just YET. Like anything else in hunting, just sit and put your time in and hope for the best, not much else to do about it
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jimboy on October 06, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
Although I have not personally found any dead deer I have friends who have found them in the Monroe, Tuxedo and even in parts of Rockland County.
Not much activity on the cameras and I am not seeing the usual amounts in the areas I hunt.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: grazan on October 06, 2020, 09:34:32 AM
exactly what im going to do Ö is hope for the best Ö. right over this guys ear I found 4 dead deer but hes still walking around Ö guess ill keep sitting in a tree and wait for him Ö.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on October 06, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
A large portion of the herd in 3m is gone. The eastern half of 3n, As well. It will take a few years to recover. Donít want to sound pessimistic, but it is what it is. In some ways, itís a good thing.

3M is a huge area to say a large portion of the deer are dead. It hits harder is certain pockets. Making the overall picture look bleak. I hunt 3M and few spots I hunt I havenít noticed anything just YET. Like anything else in hunting, just sit and put your time in and hope for the best, not much else to do about it

Never said I wasnít hunting, Iíve hunted 4 times and had encounters with 2 really nice bucks in 3m. At the same time though, I know the lack of deer, is not due to acorns or moon phases, itís because theyíre dead.


Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on October 06, 2020, 11:33:48 AM
EHD caught on trail cam
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: bowski76 on October 06, 2020, 11:56:50 AM
This is very sad to see.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on October 06, 2020, 03:08:26 PM
This was about 10 feet away. Deer stood, drank, then bedded Every 2 minutes for 5 hours.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: MUSKRAT on October 06, 2020, 03:32:55 PM
Nature is cruel sometimes..
Just seems like such a waste..
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: striperman on October 12, 2020, 07:49:44 AM
found this floating in the moose club pond yesterday.No signs of any wounds but the face was a mess and stunk real bad.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Cwills on October 12, 2020, 07:55:29 PM
Monroe, Chester, Goshen, Middletown areas all hit hard.  The woods smell of death in some swampy parts.  Itís bad.  Food plots had tons of deer in August and now are down to zero. 
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jmack413 on October 13, 2020, 06:43:00 AM
 (hunt) found sunday in orchard up back here in new paltz   3 total that i found
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: mardo on October 13, 2020, 10:11:45 AM
3 dead deer, dead in a creek and pond...town of poughkeepsie.

Sucks. One was a good buck, a spike and a doe. One looks like its been dead for awhile, couple weeks at least.

Title: Re: EHD
Post by: GrizG on October 13, 2020, 11:46:26 AM
Residents are reporting a lot of dead deer in Athens/Coxsackie. I haven't heard yet if it is EHD or simply the increased number of full time residents due to COVID simply noticing the usual deer deaths due to collisions, coyotes, etc.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: NDA on October 15, 2020, 03:00:02 PM
EHD is running wild in our are. 25 dead deer in or along the creek from kidd lane in Tivoli to 9G.
 if you have water in your hunting area check it for dead deer & report it!
 845-256-3098 is dec wildlife#. Normally once they find it in an area they are not interested in collecting samples unless it is over 10 miles from existing case
With the doubling of doe permits & the record number of hunting licenses our deer population will be decimated for years.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Carm on October 15, 2020, 05:22:15 PM
Terrible. Almost to Columbia County now.  This thread is like mainstream media. I just can't read it anymore cause because just pisses me off.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Tippin'Scales on October 15, 2020, 07:34:48 PM
Any reports of it in northern 3j and 3c Stone ridge/Kingston area? I'm definitely not seeing deer activity like I expected so far.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: RD&SONS on October 15, 2020, 08:03:02 PM
Itís Mother Nature doing her job the deer heard will be fine. We have plenty of deer here in the southern zone. We need to stop them from taking away the antler restriction areas the D.E.C.wantís to do away with it. 
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: retired on October 16, 2020, 05:01:28 AM
I was working in new paltz nyquist bird sanctuary yesterday and could smell death along trial by water
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Tippin'Scales on October 16, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
Itís Mother Nature doing her job the deer heard will be fine. We have plenty of deer here in the southern zone. We need to stop them from taking away the antler restriction areas the D.E.C.wantís to do away with it.

There's really talk of stopping Antler Restriction Rick?
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: LouieM on October 16, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Itís Mother Nature doing her job the deer heard will be fine. We have plenty of deer here in the southern zone. We need to stop them from taking away the antler restriction areas the D.E.C.wantís to do away with it.

There's really talk of stopping Antler Restriction Rick?

I was going to ask the same. I've seen nothing but promotion for it. It is mainly in areas with lower deer numbers
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: walkabout on October 16, 2020, 02:10:58 PM
Dont know where he gets his information..
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: ole bleu on October 16, 2020, 03:38:01 PM
Yes it is Jeremy Hurst our top DEC biologist says theres no need for it as most hunters are now doing this voluntarily this came from a report at our monthly gun club meeting as an update from the federation
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: RD&SONS on October 16, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
YES THEY ARE!!  I believe everybody on this website has heard of Jay Martin he is One of the individuals who got this antler restriction started heís not happy!! he is heavily involved with the Federation we had a Gun Club meeting Tuesday night and he brought it up he would like everybody to contact the D.E.C. and tell them do not do this he has numbers and emails Who to contact he told me he would get hold of Ron and have him put it on the website also.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: REELTHING on October 16, 2020, 04:22:36 PM
If you shot a deer that looked like it had EHD would you  eat it. ?
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: MUSKRAT on October 16, 2020, 05:27:49 PM
Do not eat any deer that looks sic ..
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: DXT on October 16, 2020, 09:07:46 PM
If you shot a deer that looked like it had EHD would you  eat it. ?
NO! DEC specifically says do not eat, but understand that a deer that has EHD usually dies in 8 -36 hours and will most likely be incapacitated near water, so I would say chances of knowing that they are sick would be obvious. And they will also have massive internal bleeding which should be visible when skinned.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Yotehntr on October 16, 2020, 09:16:15 PM
I wouldnít eat it. I donít think the virus will hurt humans, but some deer, that somehow manage to survive the first couple days, can go on and apparently have secondary infections, that can be harmful

This one was in my neighbors yard, that I saw couple days before.

Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Tippin'Scales on October 17, 2020, 11:36:17 AM
YES THEY ARE!!  I believe everybody on this website has heard of Jay Martin he is One of the individuals who got this antler restriction started heís not happy!! he is heavily involved with the Federation we had a Gun Club meeting Tuesday night and he brought it up he would like everybody to contact the D.E.C. and tell them do not do this he has numbers and emails Who to contact he told me he would get hold of Ron and have him put it on the website also.

I can't think of why they would backtrack of a widely successful program.... yes many will voluntarily do QDM antler restrictions but that's also a byproduct of having ample opportunities of better age class deer made possible by Antler restriction laws. You start reducing those larger buck numbers a few years and shoot younger smaller deer we will be back to where we were 10 years ago when basket rack were the norm and not the 2.5 to 3.5 we see now.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Fred46 on October 24, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Any confirmed cases in northeastern Westchester. Several post back someone mentioned dead deer along Titicus Reservoir. Iím about a mile north of there and found one in my woods today. I knew something was down by the turkey vultures. Plus my trail cameras have recorded abnormally low deer activity.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Fred46 on October 24, 2020, 06:04:14 PM
Should also mention.  I took a walk in the Great Hollow Nature Sanctuary a week or so ago.  Itís just north of Putnam Lake on the Connecticut boarder.  The trail meanders along a stream . I didnít go off trail to investigate but the air was heavy with the smell of rotting carcasses. It had me thinking maybe EHD
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: GrizG on October 24, 2020, 06:49:28 PM
Reportedly more than 30 deer have be removed from Sleepy Hollow Lake in Athens/Coxsackie in Greene County... We need some heavy frost!
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: striperman on October 25, 2020, 07:23:06 AM
pulled a nice 7 pointer from the pond at the crum elbow gun club yesterday. :(
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on October 29, 2020, 08:59:21 AM
Looking at DEC website they are still giving out 3M DMP's but bowhunting only?


https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/121640.html
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Tippin'Scales on October 29, 2020, 10:03:28 AM
3S and 4j are bow only in my comprehension of the info.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: jdbbowhunter on October 29, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
Doesn't seem like a great idea in 3m as many parts were hit hard by EHD. As usual it will be up to individuals to make the right choices, not a government agency.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: Chris1389 on October 29, 2020, 01:14:36 PM
They say any deer infected with virus die within 36 hours and they will look very dehydrated an have a serious lag to them. So this is not a disease where the deer could be effected an you not know it and eat the meat.
Title: Re: EHD
Post by: UCBowhunter on October 29, 2020, 04:27:03 PM
3S and 4j are bow only in my comprehension of the info.


They have 1C and 3 M listed with those two you said. I heard none for 3M but now I see 3M listed as bowhunting only.. Maybe if you get a extra DMP you can do not use it during Bowhunting?