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I believe NY still requires that once you are approved for a handgun you must buy one within a short period of time.
Quote from: Geezer on January 23, 2020, 09:18:36 AMI believe NY still requires that once you are approved for a handgun you must buy one within a short period of time.I got my permit in Sullivan County in the last few years and that was not a current rule (at least for the county). I also heard that you needed to buy a handgun and bring the receipt before they would issue permit but now they issued permit card and I had to bring back receipt to get permit card amended before picking up. There was no set time I had to buy one to keep permit
Quote from: LouieM on January 23, 2020, 09:43:39 AMQuote from: Geezer on January 23, 2020, 09:18:36 AMI believe NY still requires that once you are approved for a handgun you must buy one within a short period of time.I got my permit in Sullivan County in the last few years and that was not a current rule (at least for the county). I also heard that you needed to buy a handgun and bring the receipt before they would issue permit but now they issued permit card and I had to bring back receipt to get permit card amended before picking up. There was no set time I had to buy one to keep permitMy son was recently issued a full carry in Ulster County and there was no mention of a time limit. After he picked up the permit he bought a gun and went back for the coupon. The downside is that the purchase still had to be approved by a judge so there was a delay in picking it up. The issuing judge commented that my son having taken a safety course as well as an Article 35 course with a professional trainer made him comfortable issuing the full carry permit.
Quote from: GrizG on January 23, 2020, 10:11:23 AMMy son was recently issued a full carry in Ulster County and there was no mention of a time limit. After he picked up the permit he bought a gun and went back for the coupon. The downside is that the purchase still had to be approved by a judge so there was a delay in picking it up. The issuing judge commented that my son having taken a safety course as well as an Article 35 course with a professional trainer made him comfortable issuing the full carry permit.May I ask what judge he was assigned? What is Article 35 course, was that the live fire additional training? Safeshoot mentioned an additional live fire course after I go thru the additional NRA online segment to complete my safety training, is this same or different? I have squeaky clean record other than a couple minor traffic violations that I've never even had 1 point go on my license so I'm hopeful of getting full carry first go around but I'm sure many others feel same but are denied.
My son was recently issued a full carry in Ulster County and there was no mention of a time limit. After he picked up the permit he bought a gun and went back for the coupon. The downside is that the purchase still had to be approved by a judge so there was a delay in picking it up. The issuing judge commented that my son having taken a safety course as well as an Article 35 course with a professional trainer made him comfortable issuing the full carry permit.
Quote from: Tippin'Scales on January 23, 2020, 10:45:27 AMQuote from: GrizG on January 23, 2020, 10:11:23 AMMy son was recently issued a full carry in Ulster County and there was no mention of a time limit. After he picked up the permit he bought a gun and went back for the coupon. The downside is that the purchase still had to be approved by a judge so there was a delay in picking it up. The issuing judge commented that my son having taken a safety course as well as an Article 35 course with a professional trainer made him comfortable issuing the full carry permit.May I ask what judge he was assigned? What is Article 35 course, was that the live fire additional training? Safeshoot mentioned an additional live fire course after I go thru the additional NRA online segment to complete my safety training, is this same or different? I have squeaky clean record other than a couple minor traffic violations that I've never even had 1 point go on my license so I'm hopeful of getting full carry first go around but I'm sure many others feel same but are denied. Article 35 refers to NYS penal law Article 35 on the use of force and deadly physical force. It's about knowing if and when you can deploy a weapon in defense of self or others. This is much different from going to the range and learning how to shoot and learning how to be a safe gun handler... It's great if you can shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 25 yards but knowing if you should shoot, or even display a gun, is perhaps more important to your long term freedom and financial security. For example, there was a former NYC transit cop in the armed guard training I took for academic reasons. He'd been in multiple shoot outs on the job and was sweating and visibly shaking on the range due to what amounted to PTSD from the gun fights. He wasn't what I'd call a "good shot." However, he survived not only the gun fights but the legalities that go with them because he understood the law.In short, knowing how to shoot is only half the equation. Knowing when to shoot is the other half. The judges seem to be interested in whether applicants understand that... the applicant having training helps give the judges confidence in their decisions about issuing a full carry. That is generally more important than the "judge lottery" that comes up as a discussion item from time to time. Some may view this as an infringement but I, after spending decades looking at gun issues see it as a smart survival tool. I took a deep academic dive into gun issues over my life. That ranges from Constitutional, criminology, sociology, organizational, regulation, shooting, training, and working in a gunsmith shop. My associates laid the ground work for Heller and McDonald and I critiqued papers and journal articles to support good public policy.Because of all of that experience I know that there are others who have specialized knowledge who should be consulted on specific topics. Not to offend anyone, but quite frankly, the last guy I'd take advice from on the use of force is the guy behind the gun counter... the overwhelming majority of them haven't been trained in and don't know the practical application of Article 35. I'm not inclined to take advice from a cop either as they are given more latitude in the legal system than Joe Citizen--and are indemnified by their departments regardless of how good or badly they do things. It's just the way it is. A professional trainer, preferably one whom has courtroom experience, is a better option. Such training is any eye opener and some students have changed their mind about carrying a gun after participating in such a course. Anyhow, this probably all sounds preachy. I apologize for that, but I won't apologize for raising awareness and provoking thought.
A suggestion:You can go to a place like SafeShoot in Kingston and rent guns to shoot on their range. (Not sure if you can do this before getting the PP tho)I shot a P365 there because small guns are often "snappy", good to "try before you buy" for sure, now looking to buy one. LOL
May I ask who offers this Article 35 course? It definitely seams like it would definitely help with decision making if the time and need were ever to arise....
Pat call that number on our home page ask for sha he does all them courses.
Maybe he dont but give him a call as he has been one of our sponsors here for 5 years.
Quote from: walkabout on January 23, 2020, 07:32:41 PMMaybe he dont but give him a call as he has been one of our sponsors here for 5 years.Will do.... I have tons of questions as far as what courses I want for state reciprocity so I may need more instruction.